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2009.03.10

I was riding the dundas streetcar with my camera in my hands (just in case). I don't know what it was that inspired these charming, playful smiles. They just happened to be ready for their close up, I guess.

I was taking some pictures of people on the street, who probably didn't know I was photographing them. The woman sitting behind me on the streetcar asked me why I thought I had a right to take pictures of people without their consent.

The majority of pictures I take are with the consent of the subjects, but I do take some pictures in public spaces without permission. People may feel objectified or invaded. I don't know how to deal with that possibility. If someone indicates discomfort, I don't take the picture, or I delete it if already taken. If I always have to ask for consent, I lose the chance to capture those spontaneous moments of grace that I love.

I think the people who have felt most invaded by my camera were some of my friends. I've backed off a lot since when I first started taking pictures.

Whether or not we take photos, we've probably all had a camera pointed towards us. I don't always like to have my picture taken. I also have a wish to be seen and included, so sometimes I would welcome it. Where do you draw the line?
10 Comments
CJLata I do not like to be in pictures and I respect other people who do not wish to be in pics. However, there are some people who love being photographed, like the girls in your photo above. Nice work and great discussion topic.
CJLata · 2009-03-09: 01:51
psychedelicview yeah. if we sense that the subject is unwilling to have his/her picture taken, then we definitely should not push it and yes, delete the image if it was already taken. but the subjects in this picture seem so enthusiastic and gave u genuine smiles. so i guess, by that they are already giving u their consent. but really, i feel the same way too whenever i head into the city to shoot some street photos. and sometimes i find myself more often than not refraining from taking pictures of people sleeping or doing they everyday chores just because they are unaware of my intentions to take their pictures. and if i were to ask permission, then the spontaneity of the moment will be lost. so inevitably i would always be stuck in the middle and not knowing what to do. taking pictures of objects is a lot easier! ;)
psychedelicview · 2009-03-09: 05:54
stormfish please do not listen to those who claim there is a "right" on not being pictured. it's you who has the cam, so it's you who has the power. use it. i don't say: misuse it; because yes, you can do that, too, like with every cam. but given the results you have been posting on this blog, all your portraits are speaking of an empathy and sensitivity for your subjects that it is downright gross to have general "i have my rights" junkies bleating at you. just ignore. go ahead and do these pictures - it is an honor for everyone to be portrayed with you behind the cam. if anyone, i trust you to be the one who can decide what's publishable and what not.

the one above: marvelous. these ladies are sure thankful that they have been incidentally snapped in such joyful beauty.
stormfish · 2009-03-09: 07:43
lyency lovely entertaining image, and a serious question! my experience of shooting people in the street approves the obvious: almost everyone likes to be photographed - if it is justified and it is done with respect.
as an extreme i would mention the great young artist Shen Wei's work, it proves how easily people open up even for strangers and willing to show their most intimate selves...
lyency · 2009-03-09: 14:12
JuliaGotz psychedelic view says "taking pictures of objects is a lot easier!" That's true for sure. but people in action are so fascinating, beautiful and expressive. Could I possibly give up photographing people who don't know they are being photographed? I don't want to stop, that's for sure!
JuliaGotz · 2009-03-09: 15:57
krx72 don't stop! maybe carry a few pre printed cards with your blog address or a few blank photo release forms that you can use to secure full permission. people do own the rights to their image and any use without tacit permission is technically a violation and does expose the photographer to some risk. limited albeit in this context however it is a risk. that being said, you don't need permission to take the picture, but you do to publish it (unless they are a public figure and or participating in a public event)
krx72 · 2009-03-10: 00:55
JuliaGotz Thanks krx. In the states, everything I've read supports freedom of expression for the photographer when photos are taken from a public place and used for artistic or editorial purposes. Only use for commercial purposes is contested. In Quebec, the right to privacy of the subject is paramount. In the rest of Canada, it seems to be like the states - so far, at least. I've tried to research this several times without getting a definitive answer. this was a pretty good link for Canadian law, with a section on each province.
It says more about the right to take photos then it does about permissible use. I suppose we'll see this issue tested in the courts sometime, like it was in Quebec.
JuliaGotz · 2009-03-10: 11:18
Zedsdead
A New York Street photographer would have asked the woman in the streetcar. Who the hell she thought she was, and did she think she owned the street. He would have taken her photo at the same time, in order to catch the reaction, and then dared her to do something about it. people take photos we might be in. Too bad!! :)
Zedsdead · 2009-03-15: 06:20
Gumbo Interesting topic. Fifty years ago there weren't closed circuit video cameras posted at all public buildings or millions of cell phones capable of snapping a pic and uploading it to the web. Now the right to just be "left alone" is under attack. The tradition of journalism says if someone is in a public place, they can be photographed. I spent a few years as a photojournalist. Sometimes the photos are so good they bring you pleasure, but so brutal they cause others pain. Something inside you has to ask, "What right do I really have?"
But I still take pictures of people without asking.
Gumbo · 2009-03-26: 02:00
mijocus The moment you ask permission to shot, street photography becomes studio photography on the streets. The people will start acting. There is not such a thing as asking permission there. And the law provides the boundaries.
And I do not mind being photographed as I am so God damn beautiful :) .
mijocus · 2009-03-29: 08:02
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