clarity

by Stormfish July. 19, 2016 1212 views


night panorama arizona with aliens

calm down, calm down, you are not that important.


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Jarvo J 3 years, 8 months ago

Very cool imagery.

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Stormfish Replied to Jarvo J 3 years, 8 months ago

thanks jon - as is your always! :-)

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Jay Boggess 3 years, 8 months ago

Hahahahahaaaaa.......love your "optimistic", "open-minded" & "hopeful" outlook on our existence and how we should think, feel, believe & conduct ourselves...... (((grin)))
Kool shot; very creative and unique....
Cheers!

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Stormfish Replied to Jay Boggess 3 years, 8 months ago

I bow to optimistic (whatever that means), I smile at open-minded (I call it "leaking") and I cringe at hopeful - guess I don't have to explain why.

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Jay Boggess Replied to Stormfish 3 years, 8 months ago

I understand perfectly. So, in the spirit of your original "opinion/complaint", that topics/comments unrelated to the "nuts & bolts" of photography, were becoming a nuisance to you, on this venue, I'll direct any further, unrelated comments, not strictly about the art & science of photography, to private messages for your personal mailbox......rather than posting them here, on your public blog. Fair enough???
(Don't "Worry" - Be "Happy")........ (whatever that means....right?) (((grin)))
Cheers!

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Stormfish Replied to Jay Boggess 3 years, 8 months ago

err... not entirely sure what you are referring to - which "original complaint" of mine? i never talk about the art of photography. i have nothing much to say about it and there are others here who can perfectly entertain you with that. i also very much resent the idea of me promoting "happiness" as a general goal in life, so uhmmm... either i dont get your irony at all tonight (sorry) or you have smoked something trumpworthy. hugh & amen.

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Jay Boggess Replied to Stormfish 3 years, 8 months ago

While reading one of your previous public comments, here's the complaint, to which I refer: (see above):

"but this fu***d up SOUL and inner values and annoying pseudo philosophical, pseudo scientific psychology bul**It, now THAT's what everyone should shut up about."

Anyway, enough of that, for commenting here, as you wish...

In any case, I'll be looking forward to your next uniquely creative posts, while directing any further, personal & possibly inappropriate, comments &/or questions to your personal, non-public, mailbox....so we can keep PB clear of further "lip flappin", unrelated to the "hobby"....(((grin)))

p.s. I don't smoke...

Best regards,
(whatever that means....right?)
(((grin)))
Jay-Bird

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Stormfish Replied to Jay Boggess 3 years, 8 months ago

ah... now I got it. sorry, sometimes a bit slow in connecting the dots between different conversations here. that comment was rather made to help make a distinction between caring for the (physical, existent) body and the illusion we call a "soul".

i'm not that much fed up with this topic, i'm just saying it would be good if we could stop making so much fuss about this imaginary soul thing. it was helpful in history for our poor riddled, desperate ancestors to make up some spiritual layer to cope with all the shuddering emotions it causes to us humans if we can't explain something to our needs; but as a species, I think we have overcome this state of ignorance and it would be better if we agree, as science does, that there isn't any evidence nor reason why to assume metaphysical realms, just because we have not fully understood the nuts and bolts of something.

also, why keep photoblog clean of anything like that being openly discussed? i'm not sure what is "inappropriate" as a topic or comment here. every blog here is personal AND public. this is actually an opportunity to be less private and more, as you put it above, "open minded". :-)

p.s. if you don't smoke, you should consider trying it. coughing cleans your throat. ;-)

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Jay Boggess Replied to Stormfish 3 years, 8 months ago

No problem....Just because you don't personally subscribe to the existence of the "soul", does not necessarily mean it does not exist, unless you think that you are "all-knowing" & that what you "know" is infallible...

Just because we don't know all the nuts & bolts of how everything works, opens the possibility that there are things such as the "soul" that do exist. It's just a matter of our tools & scientific methods being still too "clunky" & primitive to get at the truth, one way or another...

The most appealing thing about PB, for me, is the loose restrictions about what is an "appropriate" topic of discussion and/or an "appropriate" image to upload (barring illegal content, of course)...If someone makes a comment on my blog, I feel free to comment on their comment, in any way I see fit. When I make a comment on another member's blog, I try to be as respectful as I can, knowing that I am their guest, just as I would when I visit someone in their home. Once there is a mutual level of comfort, as with a good friend, I feel freer to be a little more lax in my demeanor & more comfortable being a bit more controversial and casual. There's always the option of conversing via private messaging, as well, if the situation warrants and the discussion is about something that is just between the two members and irrelevant to the others.

I smoked for many years, starting in the 5th grade of primary school, so I got a very early start. As I aged i could feel the restrictions that it imposed upon my body & mind, so I figured I had given the habit all I could give and just dropped it once & for all......I replaced it with a vigorous exercise plan, which I continue to this day.....For every habit I drop, I must find something to put in it's place, for it to be successful, so now, I've been able to replace my deeply entrenched ritual of drinking alcohol, during the sunset time, almost every day, to going out with a camera, instead...........so far, so good.....
It's coming on that time right about now, so guess I'll gather up my gear & go out & about!

Cheers!
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Stormfish Replied to Jay Boggess 3 years, 8 months ago

hello jay

"Just because you don't personally subscribe to the existence of the "soul", does not necessarily mean it does not exist, unless you think that you are "all-knowing" & that what you "know" is infallible..."

the problem with this argument is that it emphasizes on my personal "belief" (which is what you circumscribe with "subscribe" versus a qualified statement of existence (which you then claim that I would postulate as infallible knowledge. none of this was what I intended to say nor do I see it as a valid interpretation of my remarks above.

first of all, what I personally believe regarding the existence or non existence of the "soul" is irrelevant. I am not arguing on the fundament of belief, I'm arguing on the fundament of (lack of) evidence. evidence, by its very definition, negates belief and produces knowledge, where it can be achieved. where not, and this is the case with the soul, it does NOT produce belief instead, it simply keeps the question unanswered. if you put water on a plant, it usually grows. if you DON'T put water on a plant, it simply doesn't.

second, the existence of "soul" would need evidence, same as the existence of atoms need evidence. there is a large amount of reproducible evidence for the later... none for the first. this allows the conclusion that "soul" is an imaginary, non existent... well, i'm reluctant to write "thing" because that'll be saying it "is" something... maybe it a "projection", something that our minds, for reasons only partly understood, brings p to negotiate with the complexity of the real world. so, YES it is possible that you believe in a "soul" (and that's nothing I debate) but this belief must be marked as a (helpful some times, harmful at others) construct, a "mind tool" to simplify things we otherwise would spend days on talking about.

and last, but not least, knowledge can never be infallible. it's the very principle of any knowledge that it needs to be tested against evidence ALL THE TIME. hence science. and it's this principle that makes science and philosophy so worrisome for many; cause it NEVER EVER produces certainty.

my statement to angil above what meant to be a "sigh" about the tedious attempts to make "soul" and all the spiritual layers of interpreting human physiology a "thing" that is based on evidence as much as the emerging understanding of the brain is. I grew up with a freudian psychoanalyst as a father and I have been always interested in the debate around this topic; and maybe you won't believe this but I was a huge supporter of the freudian concept of "psyche" (=soul) for years. however; all the scientific evidence in the past 30 years clearly show that "psyche" does not exist other than as an illusion/projection of the brain - and I think that's important progress in understanding ourselves.

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Jay Boggess Replied to Stormfish 3 years, 8 months ago

My point is this: It is my personal belief that there are still mysteries, yet "unsolved" and things that are still, so far, even unimagined, concerning the nature our existence.

Again, just because we choose to reject the existence of things that do not lend themselves to study by the traditional "scientific methods", does not necessarily mean they do not exist. New realities are discovered all the time.

Doesn't it seem rather egocentric to assume that anything, thus far unstudied &/or unproven, by these methods, to be merely imaginary and unworthy of consideration?

If we choose to espouse this conclusion, doesn't it require a rejection of the possibility, no matter how remote, that "things", of which we may never have, thus far, even imagined, or have been able to weigh or measure, to be out of the realm of possibility?

It's one thing to say "I'm not sure" and quite another thing to say "I'm absolutely sure"........no?
At some point, espousing the second stance, requires "faith" (there's that "squishy" word again) that your conclusion is, indeed, conclusive...even though there may still be undiscovered &/or yet unimagined information that may, later, totally invalidate your previous conclusion. (((GRIN)))

Cheers!

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Stormfish Replied to Jay Boggess 3 years, 8 months ago

hello jay,

yeah i think i got your point. apparently, you insist, quite stubbornly, on your entirely undisputed right to believe in whatever possibility you can imagine. you claim something there that i never disputed in the first place. i really, really, and please believe me i don't mean that sarcastic, do not mind at all what you believe and what not. it neither matters to me (unless you threaten me with it). if you want to have faith in whatever of the possibilities that you like to things of being undiscovered and yet to discover - be my guest. that's perfectly fine and none of my concern.

however, I'm a little bit more restricted than you. my time is limited. my powers are, too. i cannot afford to follow up on EVERY whatsoever possibility or imagination that i come up with and feel is should explore it into the depths of its ever enfolding "mystery", no matter how much i would wish to do so or would feel good if i could. i have to solve pressing matters in my life, like how to produce food, how to stay sane, how to heal my wounds if i got injured, how to create life circumstances that give me pleasure or, not to ask too much, a little comfort, like shelter, heat, etc. i also have to make sure i somehow don't fall out with my environment, be it "nature", or fellow humans. all this makes it MANDATORY to me that i prioritize where to put my limited powers. and again, that prioritizing is everyone's own choice.

what i suggest it to base this prioritizing on EVIDENCE and experience, not on faith or belief. I'm not saying you shouldn't explore your possibilities - we always will do that. but if you end up getting nowhere but vague promises and feeble hopes; well maybe it'll be good to turn your head away from them and follow more reliable facts. and it has been my continued experience that evidence based science delivers way more reliable facts than any whatsoever faith, dreaming, hopes or belief. so, i personally choose to rather put my energy in that direction. again, you and everyone else are entirely free to choose another path - unless, you hinder me to follow mine. i don't think YOU personally do, but I'm sorry to report that the world is full of people who constantly try to do that).

anyway, i fear we simply reproduce the same points over and over again. I'm running out of time and i am pretty sure you would be relieved, too, if we discontinue this topic. have a great day and stay frosty! :-)

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Jay Boggess Replied to Stormfish 3 years, 8 months ago

I'm in agreement with you. We should amass & use all the practical knowledge we can muster, in order to promote the wellbeing of our ourselves & our environment. Science & engineering have produced wonderful things for the care & success of our corporeal beings.

My only point in this discussion, is that we do not know everything and should be open to possibilities that can't be "validated" by the methods we currently have at our disposal.

Throughout our historical record, there have been so many things that were originally thought to be beyond the realm of possibility, which today are commonly accepted & utilized. It's my "belief" that this trend will continue...That's why I'm not dismissing concepts like the existence of things, thus far unseen & undetectable, by the use of current technology....

I'm also open to the possibility that there are ways of "knowing" that don't adhere to the rigid criteria we now use to to describe reality....

In conclusion, I think there's plenty of room for all sorts of belief systems & thought processes. The "rub" comes, as you said, when we try to impose our rigid view of reality on those who are not perfectly in "lock-step". Vive la differance, no?

Best Regards!
Jay-Bird

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Stormfish Replied to Jay Boggess 3 years, 8 months ago

p.s. I like public discussions about this stuff more than private ones. I think you and everyone else is warmly welcome to jump in on any other comment. since PB took a turn more into the public blog direction, I will avoid private messaging here altogether (have you noticed, btw, that all private messages are gone?).

I appreciate your thoughts about this a lot. I am aware that there is issues around the privacy" of these blogs and blog comments, you describe it very well with the metaphor of a "home". i think PB is more of a public market place of display window though - and whatever you decide to show there is automatically "public". personally, it's better that we come to terms with this than fight against it. nothing in the internet, no matter where you put it, facebook, flickr or here - is ever "private". you always PUBLISH.

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Jay Boggess Replied to Stormfish 3 years, 8 months ago

What you allow/welcome on your personal blog is certainly your business. Absolute privacy anywhere on the internet, or on cell phones or any publicly held communication network does not exist, as we see in criminal cases, everyday in the "news". With that in mind, it's unwise to say/write anything, anywhere, that you might not want to claim authorship thereof.

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Marilyn Grimble 3 years, 8 months ago

:-) - At a given point, you just maybe!
We must do our best to make a positive difference!
Beautiful night capture - you are a master with your desert work ( hoping it is the desert ).

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Stormfish Replied to Marilyn Grimble 3 years, 8 months ago

yes, this is Arizona, near gila bend.

I respectfully disagree though, we must not, under all circumstances. believe that we are important. even when you are the mother of a child or the leader of a country. in fact, it is utterly IMPORTANT to see that, in both case, you are nothing more but a comforting convenience, and you cannot by any means make any positive difference.

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Marilyn Grimble Replied to Stormfish 3 years, 8 months ago

And I respectfully disagree - I am not saying I am important - I am saying at various times in my life what I have said has carried importance... and you can make a positive difference.
It depends whether anyone listens to you - if they do, what you say or how you act sets an example. That's important.
IMHO - Mx :-)

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Stormfish Replied to Marilyn Grimble 3 years, 8 months ago

IMHO is exactly what the problem is here. its your OPINION. there are others. its YOUR opinion. there are OTHERS. in fact, importance is so much just YOUR OPINION that it makes entirely no sense to anyone else. though people might, when they see you struggling with our utter non-importance, be nice to you and give you a pat on the shoulder. but that's just "being nice". they don't mean it. nobody does. because everyone is just entirely - and I mean ENTIRELY - occupied with themselves.

the only positive difference you can make is HIV positive.

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Marilyn Grimble Replied to Stormfish 3 years, 8 months ago

Yep, it is my opinion! Of course there are others, including yours! Do you not feel good guidance as a parent is of importance!

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Moira 3 years, 8 months ago

Beautiful night sky and how did you add the "sculpture'" ?

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Stormfish Replied to Moira 3 years, 8 months ago

that sculpture is me, standing sas still as possible there for 30 seconds, and shining some light on me with a torchlight.

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Antonio Gil 3 years, 8 months ago

Close encounters. And yes we need to stop looking at our bellies.

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Stormfish Replied to Antonio Gil 3 years, 8 months ago

bellies would be fine... they DO need attention. especially when they are empty. :-)

but this fucked up SOUL and inner values and annoying pseudo philosophical, pseudo scientific psychology bullshit, now THAT's what everyone should shut up about.

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Antonio Gil Replied to Stormfish 3 years, 8 months ago

.. and so many other things related

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Stormfish Replied to Antonio Gil 3 years, 8 months ago

yeah but i lost patience to list them here... ūüėČ

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