Second half of June in 1909

by Sigrid Strohschneider-Laue April. 22, 2018 1897 views

Flea market – my last hope to survive boredom. No, it's not about buying and owning things – it's all about hunting specific items. Last Saturday I was lucky. I found in an old and dirty banana box eight old photographs. Every single one full of storytelling and history. One is a true treasure hoard.

This group of very well-dressed women having a coffee klatsch/tea party in front of Viennese photographer Ludwig Grillich. I imagine some gossip mongerers, who were the leading "what's proper" ladies of the last 40 ball seasons.

Sadly it is all about making up a story and checking out possibilites, because the writing on the back of the photograph is - well, let's call it "rudimentary".

"2. Hälfte Juni 1909" is just a date, reduced to almost nothing. I bet, I could have found out the year by my own, because Ludwig Grillich (1856–1926), was a Viennese photographer. Grillich was well known and very well established. He owned ateliers between 1885 and 1913 (?). He gained the title "Hof-Photograph" as an official photographer of the monarchs. Austrian, Russian and Swedish nobles were sitting for portraits in front of his camera. Once he was "promoted" by the upper class, he photographed a lot of noble, rich and famous people - one of them was Sigmund Freud. And he made headlines, because he paid his employees very poorly. Last clue - besides clothes or jewellery of the ladies and interieur - would have been the telephone number. It would have been easy to found out, when his atelier got this number.

The book in the foreground "Daheim Kalender 1906" (terminus post quem - picture must be younger than 1906) is the only hint, which causes reasonable doubt to the handwriting (1909) on the back of the picture! On the other hand, this calendars are like books and were kept for long years.

Think about adding basic information to your own pictures for the next generations. Give answers in advance to the essential questions most people would ask:

  • Who is involved?
  • What is happening?
  • Where is it happening?
  • When is it happening?
  • Why is it happening?
  • How is it happening?

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Jay Boggess 1 year, 10 months ago

You are a natural-born detective, Sis! You make some very valid points, with your suggestions!
I love to imagine who these people were and how they were related. 
Looks like some of them might have even been (proto-tranies)... or transvestites......hahahhahahhaaaaa........(((GRIN)))
I've always fantasized about being able to become invisible and go back in time to observe people going about their daily routines....sort of a time-traveling voyeur.....(((GRIN)))

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Sigrid Strohschneider-Laue Replied to Jay Boggess 1 year, 10 months ago

*giggle*
Maybe gossip sisters?
I'm glad, that pictures don't come with the original smell of the people ...
Oh no, I wouldn't like to travel through time.
At least half of Vienna was sick (tuberculosis, syphilis and other diseases you could cure today). I bought once a picture of a beautiful young girl. She wrote some nice words on her picture and gave it away as a present to a friend. The friend wrote the date of her death on the same picture - just a year later. Three of Roland's great aunts died from TB between 1916 and 1919 and his granny didn't survived much longer.

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Jay Boggess Replied to Sigrid Strohschneider-Laue 1 year, 10 months ago

I would have to be invisible to enjoy time travel. I wouldn't be interested in actually interacting with people in the past or future, but I would like to be an anonymous observer, immune to any/all diseases & violence, even if I did have to "hold my nose"at times...(((grin)))

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Sigrid Strohschneider-Laue Replied to Jay Boggess 1 year, 10 months ago

the perfect observer ...

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Jay Boggess Replied to Sigrid Strohschneider-Laue 1 year, 10 months ago

Exactly!!! The perfect "diet" for my "insatiable curiosity".......right??? (grin)

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Sigrid Strohschneider-Laue Replied to Jay Boggess 1 year, 10 months ago

joy thumbsup

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Jay Boggess Replied to Sigrid Strohschneider-Laue 1 year, 10 months ago

:=D

Cheers!

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Lisa Britton 1 year, 10 months ago

What a great find - lovely photo

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Sigrid Strohschneider-Laue Replied to Lisa Britton 1 year, 10 months ago

Thanks - I love the hunt, but I also love to have such a nice picture!

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Heike 1 year, 10 months ago

Ich frage mich, wohin die 2te und die 3te Frau schauen. Und die Hüte sind ja sensationell, nicht dass ich einen davon tragen möchte,...

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Sigrid Strohschneider-Laue Replied to Heike 1 year, 10 months ago

Witzig, das habe ich mich ja auch schon gefragt.
Bei der 2. sieht man über dem Hut, dass das ein aufklappbarer Hintergrund war. Genau beim Hut ist das Scharnier.
Was mich so schockiert, ist die Tischdecke. Wir haben genau so eine Decke. Meine Mutter hat sie immer für den Balkon benutzt. War ein Erbstück von ihrer Tante. Wer weiß wie alt das Teil wirklich ist! Ja die Hüte sind bombastisch. Sie sind auch recht gut situiert gkleidet. Erstaunlich ist, dass so wenig Schmuck zu sehen ist. Es sind nicht einmal viele - außer bei 2 und 4 -, der damals üblichen Standardstücke, die bei solchen Gelegenheiten unbedingt mit aufs Bild mussten, zu sehen. 1 und 3 scheinen nicht einmal die unvermeidlichen Ohringe zu tragen.
Das Gruppenfoto ist in seiner ganzen Art ungewöhnlich, auch wiel keine Beziehung zwischen Frauen bzw. kein Anlass erkennbar ist.
Fragen über Fragen - genau meine Art von Foto ...

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Camellia Staab 1 year, 10 months ago

Wow Sigrid you made me really think about this. I have tons of photos, before I even picked up the camera as a hobby, and except for the two baby albums I made for each of the kids, the rest are just photos with no detail. Half of them I look at on occasion and I don't even recall the who,what,where, anymore. I am a bit more organized now that I have picked photography as a hobby, but there are still times that I don't follow through with the "tagging". What an interesting hobby btw.

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Sigrid Strohschneider-Laue Replied to Camellia Staab 1 year, 10 months ago

Same here - wedding pictures (only few and sadly extremly unprofessional) and baby pictures in three albums. A ton revers films (with and without frames), which my husband will sort/frame/scan in his retirement (maybe until he will be 120 years old). The really old pictures (1880-1940) are almost "lost" in memory, because nobody took care of them at the right time.
Hobby - maybe I like old photographs so much, because in my family is almost everything lost during the two World Wars or lost, because the uninterested people inherited them.

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Camellia Staab Replied to Sigrid Strohschneider-Laue 1 year, 10 months ago

Your last sentence makes a lot of sense  :)

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Sigrid Strohschneider-Laue Replied to Camellia Staab 1 year, 10 months ago

*sigh*

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Russell Smith 1 year, 10 months ago

The questions you asked are something my mom I discussed about a month ago. The pictures I print I tend to add this information to as it is something I learned from her and she learned from her mom.

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Sigrid Strohschneider-Laue Replied to Russell Smith 1 year, 10 months ago

You, your mom and your granny deserves medals!
There are only very few "old" pictures and almost no childhood pictures from me in my family - and this few pieces are in a sorry state of information. My father's idea of information: That was back then (whatEVER) or yes, that was an idiot (Name? No idea ...) and my mother mistreated the real old ones by putting glue on their backsides. Right now, I have all of them right beside my desk and don't know, what to do. *SIGH*

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Antonio Gil 1 year, 10 months ago

Loved to read your thoughts related to this particular picture. Now, in addition to aperture, speed, ISO and so on, I also have to concern about Who is involved? What is happening? Where is it happening? When is it happening? Why is it happening? How is it happening?. Oh my God. smile

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Sigrid Strohschneider-Laue Replied to Antonio Gil 1 year, 10 months ago

Exactly, you have to take the upcoming questions in 100 years serious. Not only the questions of unborn family members but the FAQ's of collectors too! Think also about that: On the other hand lot of specialists will beome unemployed, because you revealed all your secrets! joy

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